Market 469: Spider Veloce 10125*10115 in PA

Update 4/23/2013: Seller contacted me to tell me the original block is included.  I guess this mitigates some of the ‘original engine’ perceptions.  Can perceptions be mitigated?  Hmmm.

Giulietta Spider 10125*10115.  This clean Spider is available through Hemmings right now. They seem to let their listings ride for months -probably to keep the overall site listing count from dipping below some minimum, so there’s no guarantee it’s still available, but a quick call to the seller should tell.  The car is very clean and shiny, with compelling, although way too dark to reveal much of the details images.  If you are in the market for an early LWB Spider Veloce and $99,500 doesn’t scare you off, you should book a trip to PA and go take it for a drive.

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Nearly invisible door shut lines?  Check.  Borrani wheels?  Check.  20 footer?  Check.  Car looks really good, but these images are too dark and too low resolution to be more than marginally useful.  Enough to base a trip to PA on I guess.

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I have to assume the trunk seal rubber is the new stuff that pushes the lid open.   Looks like the current batch of repro tail lights.

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About the right amount of yellow in the gauges.

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Original engine was an 00106 Veloce.  They say a crack was discovered and repaired but ultimately a different engine was used.  This is 1315*4350X.  Intake and all that is the 101 Veloce stuff.  It all looks great, but I’m not sure the best path was taken.  A 101 Spider engine would have been cheaper to source and been more correct than the 750 unit used.  Either way, I suspect the price doesn’t accurately reflect the lack of the original or at least an original 00106 engine.  Thought experiment: Given two identical restored Spider Veloce specimens for the same money (say red ones for $100,000) -one with original engine and one without, I and probably anyone else would go for the matching number car.  Start shaving $1000’s off the non-matching car, at what point would I jump on the non-matcher?  $95,000?  $90,000?  Tough call.

The above of course leads us into the general ‘engine number’ discussion.  Does a documented matching engine add any value?  What is your opinion?


6 thoughts on “Market 469: Spider Veloce 10125*10115 in PA

  1. Most fun ever in a 2 liter race car, and an original 101. Early smooth case cars I could care less about. The tranny is not so great, my arms aren’t that long etc.

    The whole veloce thing is greatly over rated. Buy stock 101 put in more motor, tranny etc.and drive it. these cars are super and especially for their age. They make great “town” cars. Trunk is big, they get good mpg, and they are easy to drive.

    Racing is different. I was told the short cars are lighter and therefore better for racing, but I really don’t know. I did get to drive a 2l 101 spider for a few laps and that was a rocket ship. Chased down 911’s and passed them in the corners under braking/ handling got passed down the straight.

  2. I agree with the above comments made. an original engine car should fetch more than a car with a replacement engine. However if driving is your thing rather than originality and you have to replace the engine anyway should one go for a 1600, 1750 or even a 2000 engine???
    I would but that is because I like to drive my cars. I had to replace my 1300 engine and so I had the option to go with a 1600 unit which did, not so much for performance, but to have a bit more torque which makes it easier to keep up with modern traffic.

  3. I am the seller of this car (Luxury Brokers International) and frequently go on this site for interesting talk and comments about the Alfa market. Great stuff I must say! As far as the non matching numbers bit, we do have the original block that will be included in the sale. It was cracked and welded. I am assuming someone with enough skill could repair it and put it back in the car. With the recent market trends regarding these cars including the sky high auction results for normale’s, $99,500 is an appropriate asking price as a base for interested parties to make an offer on a Veloce.

    Thank you and keep the discussion flowing!

    • Thanks for dropping by! Ill add a note tot he auction stating that the original block is included. If you want to send them I’d love to see some higher resolution images.


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