Market #29: Nice Red Giulia Sprint Speciale in Los Angeles

Update 4/26/10:  This car is back on eBay with the same pictures and a zero feedback seller.  Scam?  Chances are… 

Update 7/2/08. Auction has been pulled off eBay as of about 1pm. I guess I was right to express my doubts about the validity of this auction. Buyers beware, this is the third time I have personally seen pictures from this group used to create a fake eBay auction. Has anyone ever fallen for one of these scams?

Giulia Sprint Speciale 10121*380999. This car is available right now on eBay out of Los Angeles with a starting bid of $45,200. This particular car, with these pictures has been on eBay twice in the last year, once in Hayward California and once in Savannah Georgia. On both of those occasions the auction was pulled within a day of being posted. Is this the real seller offering this car for sale right now? I don’t know, but more pictures and information is provided in this auction than either of the other two and both the others had buy it now prices that were way under market for this car, I think less than $20,000. There is no reserve and the starting bid is slightly under market for this car if everything checks out. Maybe this is a real no-scam auction.

No engine number is given so I would first ask about the number and request a picture of the number on the engine to make sure the stamping looks unaltered. In this price range, you have to verify everything. I would guess the engine number would turn out to be in the range 00121*00850 – 00121*01150.

Is it just me or is the bumper corner on the drivers side drooping a little? The supports and bracketry in this area are not very robust and as such easily damaged but also easily realigned. Other than that it looks great!

I think I am right about the bumper, here the U shaped groove at the center is seen to be off-center compared to the grill heart. Again just a pains-taking realignment job. Grill heart, moustaches and mesh all look good. There is usually black rubber edging under the grill to protect the paint that I don’t see here.

It appears that the lower two inches of the car have been protected by undercoating all around and under the car. You can’t look in the rocker cavities so the magnet test would be the only way to test for hidden rust or bondo. Everything looks good in the two underside pictures so I doubt this car has more than the usual unseen internal rocker surface rust.

One of my favorite views of the SS shape, as aerodynamic in plan view as profile. Blacked out US? plate at least makes sense with the auction location in the US.

Steering wheel looks solid with the correct two-part center button, rear view mirror is right, overall interior looks to be in good shape. The piping around the passenger seat cushion looks weird, like it bunched up when it was stitched. As always I could do with out the busy red piping.

Speedometer and odometer are in MPH and the car is a European import, having originally been delivered to Palermo and wearing an Italian market designation number IGM 2677 OM for homologation and taxation purposes. Maybe not the original Speedometer? Nothing is ever for sure with Alfas from this era and I’d be inclined to believe the car came over to the US later in life and when it did the speedometer was changed to an MPH unit for ease of use, making the mileage an unknown number of KM’s, probably not many based on condition, added to the indicated miles.

Engine compartment looks great with the correct buckle type clamps on the intake hose from plenum to airbox. Very nice indeed!

Exhaust appears recent or the car hasn’t seen much use and has been stored indoors. Differential casting is very shiny. Finish on the gas tank underside looks great. Not much to complain about under here.

A nice SS for a lot of money but depending on condition, maybe less than retail. Overall condition looks great though I couldn’t spend this kind of money without a visit and neither should anyone else. The pictures are just not adequate to convey all of the details and I would want to drive it. I would be on a plane tomorrow if I was ready to buy a nice red Giulia SS but unfortunately I’m not in the market, I’m not excited about red and I want a Giulietta. If this is a real offering that is not a scam I expect is may get a few bids. We’ll see.

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3 thoughts on “Market #29: Nice Red Giulia Sprint Speciale in Los Angeles

  1. Dude!
    Thats my car, and it invariably shows up every 3-6 months on e-bay!
    Thanks for the excellent critique!
    Great little vehicle, paid a bundle for it, but it is done well, of course except the piping on the seats that has either shrunk or is bundling up, and the bumper adjustments. Notice even the period European Map in the map holder in front of the passenger door.
    I reported it to spoof@ebay.com.
    Thanks – wonderful site, I follow you daily.
    Joel Stein, MGR, Jakob LLC
    Vintage Event Eligible Cars and
    Electric Plug Ins
    http://www.jakescars.com
    ommdoc@aol.com

  2. This SS is #381033, owned by Joel Stein, bought from Paul Davidson through Brewster Thackeray, AROC guys. I have the history since new:

    This very car is pictured on Page 91 of Pat Braden’s authoritative book on the Giulietta, published in 2004.

    Though the car was originally sold in Italy, the gauges read in miles rather than kilometers.

    The car has also been shown at Hershey, where it won AACA National First Place Junior (360/400 points) and Senior (380/400 points) prizes.

    This Sprint Speciale was sold new in Palermo, Italy on November 11, 1964, to Mr. Gustav Orlando—the original purchase order and the key ring from the dealership are still with the car 31 years later! After it crossed the pond, under the stewardship of Mr. Orlando’s son, the car was garaged in New York. The next owner restored the car at a cost of $40,000 in the early 1990s. Marcovicci-Wenz Engineering, a renowned vintage and racing engine specialist in Ronkonkom, New York rebuilt the engine in December, 1991. Body work, paint and interior were done in 1993 by a small restoration shop. The receipts are very thorough and details all parts. He brought the restored car when he moved to California . The owner prior to me was a serious car collector and a determined perfectionist, who searched for years before finding this excellent example in Los Angeles in 1998.
    I bought this car, which was advertised, but not sold on e-bay in January of 2006.

    VIN#: 0121.381033

    Body Stamp: 87 * 2292

    Engine plate: 10121*00999

    for your catalog/register

    Joel

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