Category Archives: 2012 markets

Market 391: Spider 00345 -sad parts car

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Giulietta Spider 750D 1495*00345.  This hulk that was once a very desirable early Spider is on eBay right now out of Rogersville Missouri.  Considering 750D 00808 sold for something, and was not much of a parts car, maybe this will find a home too -speculation against future astronomical prices if nothing else.  Biggest barrier is local pick-up in the middle of absolute nowhere requiring a flatbed and come-alongs.  “Bring your trailer and wench!” the seller says -Haig caught this humor I missed.  Winch I think they mean…

Who knows how or why -we can all guess though.  I bet someone here would pay good money for that early hood prop seen standing at attention from out of the middle of the wreck.

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Market 390: untouched and reasonably preserved Spider Veloce 10125 11337

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Update 2/23/12:  There have been some questions about this cars vin number that have come up in emails and comments.  Here’s the deal: factory Parts Manual lists Giulietta Spider Veloce 10125 as a US market car -basically a US market 10107, with an 00106 type Veloce engine and a vin range of 1495 80001 – 11900.  Alfa vin numbers for this vin range were shared by the 10103, 10104 and 10107 cars, so whether or not it’s a Veloce depends on the individual car.  d’Amico and Tabucchi identify all the vin numbers sold as Veloce’s (they went through the factories hand written records to get the numbers) and as pertains specifically to this car, list the range of body numbers 11302 – 11395.  This car is unquestionably, in my opinion as based on good information sources, a Veloce.

Giulietta Spider Veloce 10125*11337, 00106.  This car is on eBay right now out of a long dry sleep in a Georgia barn, where it did suffer some corrosion, but avoided any, and seemingly all poorly executed, but good intentioned hands.  Seller’s description of the rust is potentially optimistic, but comprehensive pictures should bear things out.  This is the sort of car that makes the best restoration candidate -yielding the highest standard car if properly executed, since all the parts have always been together, as assembled by the factory.  I would dearly love to get my hands on a Spider Veloce like this -my favorite color combo even.

Front end appears to be largely untouched.  Passenger door fit is really good.  A good scrub up and polish would have this car looking really good.

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Market 389: Sprint 10105 21145 -apart and rust free Giuliettas.com exclusive

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Giulietta Sprint 10105*21145.  This car is available now out of Northern California from a local Alfa enthusiast who was preparing it for CSRG racing.  It is a California black plate car, tracing history and ownership through the years between Southern and Northern California.  The condition of the body speaks for itself in the pictures below -no rust (well, there is a little light surface rust -but nothing needing new metal IMHO) and very straight panels with a coat of black paint applied as long as 10 years ago.  Someone with space and some skills of assembly could get this car together into driver form in their spare time in a year or less, with a little persistence.  Why is he selling?  He bought a nearly finished GT Junior race car.

Contact me at sprints@giuliettas.com and I’ll put you in touch with the seller.

The body looks really good -especially if you like a black Giulietta.  Black is very popular on Spiders, but you don’t see too many black Sprints.  Would look great with a red/gray interior.  Hood and door fit looks right on this side.  I believe some suspension work has been done on the front end of the car.

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Market 388: SS in New Jersey

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Giulietta Sprint Speciale.  Alex just sent m a text with a link to this car.  I’m sure a mad scramble is in progress right now from all over the world.  A complete, not too rusty example?  No telling precisely from these pictures about the rust -but it does look to be all there.

Looks like one of those ran when parked examples.  Hood fits well -might respond to soap and water.

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Market 387: Sprint 10112 356053 – fixin’ time

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Giulia 1600 Sprint 10112*356053.  This last of the breed Sprint is on eBay now out of New England.  Looks like a decent car that was pulled from harms way just in the nick of time back in the late 60′s.  It has rust – the kind that finds little areas of unprotected metal and works outward – rather than the west coast sort that focuses on areas with standing water or where water is trapped between carpet and metal. It does require some welding, but I think if stripped, it would be a puzzling collection of rusty patches, and not nearly so bad as your typical 1600 Spider barn find of the same era.

You are tempted to say it looks like a reasonable car, and it is.  But someone has gone through the trouble of getting house paint matched to the existing orangey red and painted over the bare metal.  Maybe it’s special rust inhibiting stuff, but I doubt it.  Doesn’t look half bad in any case.

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Market 386: Giulia SS 381335 in Northern California

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Giulia Sprint Speciale 10121*381335, 00121*01326.  My local purveyors of high-end collectible cars -Fantasy Junction -have just listed this late Giulia SS.  It’s as nice as expected from them.  I think I have pictures of this car somewhere from about 10 years ago when it was for sale for less than 10% of the current $149,000 asking (Andrew, is this the car you sent me pictures of?) -my how times change.  Is this the SS apocalypse where all the nice ones start at recent high-profile auction house prices?  Why not.

Red.  Looks good in all the ways it should.  This looks like the Berkeley/Emeryville waterfront.  Used to be all sandy beaches in the 1800′s where locals did the sort of stuff people do at sandy beaches like swim in wool and drink Bourbon, but the city (or was it the railroad robber barons?) sold all the sand for 50 cents per wagon load over a somewhat long period-probably thinking there was an infinite supply.  I wonder what they thought that day when the last load was loaded up.  Hmmm -we screwed up I think -kids crying on the now rocky shore etc, gentle water suddenly become treacherous.  There’s a little sand there now between Ashby and University, but nothing like pictures I’ve seen -of course we now get pretty plastic and oil slick type debris so no one hangs out there much anyway -especially if Marin accidentally discharges ‘lightly treated’ waste water.  Oh, wait, this is about a red SS.  Nice car.

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Market 385: Spider 10123 377929 some assembly required

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Giulia Spider 1600 10123 377929.  This car is available now on eBay out of Florida.  It was painted about 5 years ago, comes with a bunch of parts, and needs a lot of work.  These are straight forward cars to work on -but it helps to either have worked on one before or have been the one who took it apart, so don’t rush headlong into this if neither of those applies to you, but I guess you have 6 days to think about it.

Nose looks pretty reasonable.  There’s always at least 1 broken off bolt in a front bumper mount on a car like this.  It’s hard to judge the quality of a white paint job via small pictures -especially after 5 years!

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Market 382: Spider 1600 10123 379587 -true barn find!

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Update 2/24/12:  Sold for $8101.  Not bad money for this car.  Will be interesting to see if anyone is public about buying this car and shares their fixing it up story.

Update 2/16/12: This car was listed on BringaTrailer resulting in the Buy it Now price being removed from the auction, then, when most of the commenters gave it a thumbs down the auction stalled.  Remember gentle reader -there are at this moment a lot of guys (and some gals I’m sure) out there toiling away on worse cars than this of all nationality and desirability (car and owner alike I suppose…) -this car resurrection business we are all contemplating is a crazy pursuit -but what else are we to do with our time?  At least it’s a tangible object and requires learning, skill development and resourcefulness to see through.  A failed restoration is not wholly a failure -just the car never got done.

2/10/12: Giulia Spider 1600 10123*379587, 00112*45195.  This car is available now on eBay out of Connecticut, where it was just awakened from a 40 or so year sleep in a not so well insulated barn.  Car is rough -as should be expected, but it’s a Spider, it’s complete looking and it’s not much money.  I know some will say it’s a losing proposition if it’s free, but it takes a few owners to carry it along to the viable point sometimes, and this car is far enough away from that edge that it will happen.

Look at this pair -you could take my idea to just make some POS work and drive it around to a new level and have both these guys -the coupe and the convertible.  They look like they were just released from some ordeal they weathered together -would be a shame to break them up.  Dig the fog light in the grill -might start a new fad.

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Market 384: Sprint Veloce Zagato 1493*06184 at auction

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Giulietta Sprint Veloce ‘Zagato’ 750E 1493*06184, 1315*30851.  This very interesting SVZ is going to be auctioned by RM in Monaco soon.  While most cars I write about are straight forward subjects, and anything I say should be taken as insightful mainly due to heavy exposure to the subject if nothing else, and as being typically off the cuff.   A car like this demands careful consideration and wording.  Why?  The genuine article -a Zagato re-bodied Sprint Veloce, that was re-bodied ‘back in the day’ i.e. the late 1950′s, is a very valuable car.  See this thread on the AlfaBB for some lengthy but enjoyable reading on the subject.  Interestingly, this car is listed as MIA since 1960.  It’s important to note that there was no search party out looking for it -it just stayed under the radar since then.  So, with a spirit of caution, I start, and will reserve my comments to ‘ooh’s and ahh’s’ once more.

That is one desire-able object!  Note squared off wheel openings.  Hood is a low as they could practically make it and still fit the engine.  Color scheme is bold -red headlining is fantastic.  Any significance to that license plate number? Wheels look to be period cast wheels -magnesium?  This is pretty close to the top of the Giulietta food-chain.

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Market 383: 10120 Sprint Speciale at Hyman

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Update 2/13/12:  It is the same car -the vin has been verified.  Sold for about €38,000 in 2006.  Market has changed!

Update 2/12/12: I heard from a previous owner of this car -the vin is 10120*177259.  He sold it into Spain 6 years ago.  He’s not positive it’s the same car, but pictures indicate it most likely is.

Silver grill -yes.  Same tires?  I think so.

Definitely looks like the same engine to me.  There you have it -a piece of the past puzzle of this car.

Giulietta Sprint Speciale 10120.  This car is listed by Hyman Ltd, in St. Louis.  No asking price, vin or other info is provided, but judging from the pictures it’s a nice car and knowing Hyman’s MO, it will undoubtedly be expensive.  I looked through my files but was unable to find this car.  Anyone know it?

Like Fantasy Junction and their brick wall, Hyman uses this stage to good effect.  I wonder if it’s set up all the time?  I’m helping a friend listing a ton of Jaguar parts from the 50′s and 60′s on eBay and we plan on setting up a permanent photo area.  Note the screen behind the grill is in silver (or possibly chrome) -not original (if you care).  Windshield wipers are parked on the opposite side form usual.  Nice looking car!

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Market 381: SS 177325 Retired Scuderia Del Portello race car

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Giulietta Sprint Speciale 10120*177325.  This car wears Milano plates and is available from Luzzago right now.  There are many pictures of it racing from 1987 – 1996, after which it was retired, set up for street use and apparently given somewhat of a restoration.  There is no asking price stated for this car.  Check out the link in the vin above -lots of pictures of this car racing1

There are a lot of pictures like this -blurry race shots that evoke days gone by and racing fun.  Fergats have a reputation for breaking under heavy use.  I wonder if this guy suffered any breaks?

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Market 380: restored Sprint Zagato in Italy

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Giulietta Sprint Zagato.  Sharing warehouse space with yesterdays SZCT in Italy, and also on offer on Autoscout is this very clean Sprint Zagato.  Asking price is €300,000, a lot of money for a little car, but these have always been 2 to 3 times the cost of a Sprint Veloce Lightweight, so maybe comparatively speaking they have lost a little ground.  Not enough of these change hands to form a basis for a sound cost analysis, so the money has to be relative to your ability to buy it.  As with yesterdays SZCT, I’m far form expert so will reserve my commentary to appreciation for design -always a safe ground to stand on with Zagato products of the 50′s and 60′s.

A very potent race car in its day.  Short, low and light.  Zagato had a head start on the design since they had converted crashed cars into Sprint Veloce Zagato’s for customers, with the final iterations being VERY similar in appearance to the Alfa sanctioned SZ seen here.  Period alloy wheels?

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