Interesting parts: set of 5 early production Fergat wheels 1365.52.810

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Giulietta part number 1365.52.810 -Disc wheel – Fergat 4 1/4 J x 15 CZ.  This full set of early ‘rolled lip’ Fergats is on eBay right now.  Asking price is $1500, steep seeming, but when rarity and condition are weighed, probably a pretty good deal -especially if you need a set for your 1956 Sprint!  The parts book makes no mention of an early/late style for these, so a cut off point for production is tough to pin down.  Anyone have a car with these and care to share a vin?  Parts book says each car uses a quantity 2 -humorous typo.

Imagine these on your car!  Fresh wheels do a lot for the impression a car makes on you.  BMW Polaris silver?

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Strange Giulia Super ‘Torpedo’ for sale

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I got a bunch of links from Maurizo that included one to this car for sale.  As you can see, it’s an open top/no doors stretched Giulia Super sedan in a style that most people in know would call ‘like a Fiat Jolly’, but sans wicker.  On Capri, in 2003, I saw a mid-60′s Fiat 1500 station wagon done up this way.  This sort of car was commissioned to give slow, fair weather (obviously) guided tours and serve as a hyper local taxi or errand running vehicle in resort areas.  I could easily imagine this being some manufacturing executives facilities touring car -in Arese perhaps…  oh, and it’s €75,000!

If you put your hand on the screen to obscure everything from the windshield back, it just looks like a very nice Super.  I like how the arm rests also keep the passing-out drunk from slipping out of the car.  

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Market 373: Spider 10123 -super clean

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Update 1/23/12: Alex contacted the seller and the stats are: Giulia Spider 1600 AR10123*378512, 00112*33388.  Thanks Alex!

Giulia Spider 1600 10123.  This car is available on Hemmings out of South Carolina for $39,500.  Seller is listing it for a late friend – I presume for the estate.  Condition looks really good, with some non-original touches that don’t really detract unless you’re a serious purist.

I like how clean the lines are in white -and when the rest is all blacks and silvers, it lends an almost clinical beauty.  Hood and door fit well.  Chromed wheels may have been a dealer add-on.

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Sprint surprises: Cam timing

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Update 1/23/12:  In the spirit of taking one for the team -you kind reader being ‘the team’, and the ‘taking one’ is me in the form of admitting to not fully considering this subject before I wrote about it, I am writing this update.  It will be open ended and hopefully draw further discussion…

The result I was hoping for has finally happened: those with more knowledge/experience than me (Tom, Rick -thanks) have chimed in in the comments section -(though Tom, I think ‘inexperienced’ is a better word than ‘sloppy’).  The question of the cam timing had been bothering me since I wrote the first draft of this post -I even made a table to try and figure out what I was missing, but now it seems to be approaching the obvious.  For those that are spectators, or as inexperienced as me, this is what I have been thinking and why I have been thinking it.

Background on the subject:

This is the valve timing chart from the factory printed Giulietta Technical Specifications book.  Note that this timing is always based on crank position.  There are many versions of this chart for the many models over the years.

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The sincerest form of flattery

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I wasn’t expecting this when Alex in Virginia sent me a link.  I look at kit cars occasionally on eBay to check out the latest in Porsche Laser 917′s and the like, but not often enough to catch all the weirdness that passes through -including this: an Alfa Giulietta Spider treatment kit on a Miata!  I’ve seen lots of Porsche 356 kits, Austin Healey 3000 kits and others, but never Giulietta kit -not that this looks a whole lot like a Giulietta, but you get my meaning.

The quality of the finish isn’t too bad for this sort of thing, and being a Miata, it probably performs admirably.  Knock-offs look like something from the SpyHunter video game.  Center grill looks like a genuine Alfa part.

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Market 362: Spider 750D 02124 project

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Update 1/22/12: I have said it often: you get one chance to have a really good outcome from an eBay auction, and this car is a perfect case study.  Round 1: 24 bids resulting in $12,100.  Round 2: 17 bids resulting in $7,789.  The presence of 2 other Spider projects on eBay during the second round does change things, but they are both later 101 cars and neither is in as good restorable condition as this one.  Look for Round 3: 12 bids resulting in $6,456 or, if the seller is savvy (or a reader) they will give the car a month or so, wait for a good one to sell somewhere for $70,000, take new pictures from new angles with the car cleaned up, and list it again.  Or they could list it here on my site with a hard purchase price and be patient, like we had to do 10 years ago…

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Glas 1700 GT: Charge!

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The day is getting close when I will have the Glas 1700 GT in a position where I can work on it, the whole thing -probably early next week.  The plan was to have the parts I dragged home and those taken from the parts car ready to bolt on when it turned up.  The plan is coming along -but I’m behind schedule -in part due to my getting sidetracked doing more than necessary to fix things up as evidenced by the generator below, and in part due to how long it takes to get parts from Germany.  I did get the charging system together though!

This is a Bosch 6 volt generator.  I had 3 to choose from to clean up and this one was the cleanest, had best bearings and the best brushes.  I suppose I’ll restore the other 2 at some point and have them ready for service -it may be a Bosch, but it is a generator after all, and in my experience they are tempermental.

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Market 372: SS 00216 in Italy

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Update later the same day:  This car was also Market 208, before I had the vin #.  Asking price has increased a bit since April of 2010.

Giulietta Sprint Speciale 10120*00216, 00120*0????.  Maurizo sent me an email to notify me that this car is on Autoscout.  Car looks to be a nice mix of preserved and restored, with a highly detailed engine compartment.  Asking price is 65,000 Euro’s or about $83,800.

With this background, it almost looks like it’s in prison.  All the usual praise applies here, the trim, fit etc all look right.  Rear end suspension is lower than usual.

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Market 205: Giulietta Spider project in Washington

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Update 1/18/12: This car has found its way to Texas, seen some assembly and is now on eBay.  It’s tough to decide if it was bought with intentions to restore and reality set in or if it was bought to spruce up and sell… and reality set in -either way, the last 22 months have been kind to the value of Giulietta’s -they will probably get their $ back.

Looks kind of dusty and charming.  Grill looks to be dangling.  Lots to do.

Update 3/29/10: No takers at the opening bid of $8500.  I suggest a more comprehensive inventory of the included parts and a picture set that shows a lot more than what’s seen in the auction.

Giulietta Spider 750D 10103*10359, 00551*02429 (69 US GTV). This car is on eBay right now out of Puyallup Washington from a seller with a backyard full of projects including a BMW Isetta, Triumph TR6 and a late 60′s Porsche -all probably estate sale finds like this Spider. Bidding starts (if someone decides to bid) at $8500, Buy it now is $12,500. Makes Market 204 seem a bargain!

Looks like your usual stalled project. Vent windows and small tail light openings make me think it may be earlier than the 1961 date stated -probably a 59 or 60. I requested the seller tell me the VIN.

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Market 371: project Spider 10103 10284

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Giulietta Spider 10103 1495*10284. This car is listed on eBay right now out of Georgia. It’s a brutally rough project, but doable and it’s a place to start if your pocket book is thin and you want to be figuring out the details of Giulietta Spider restoration.  Car is not provided with a title, and many places will balk at the lack of a title, make sure you can title this, before you buy.

Hello precious.  Nose shows average abuse and slightly above average rust.  Where do you start?  Where does it end.  It’s an irrational thing to begin with, so it doesn’t really matter.  You’ll go through some motions, fix some stuff, maybe even drive it -but the irrational part of it will have you looking for another.

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Market 370: ‘Completely concours’ Sprint 158658

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Giulietta Sprint 10102 158658.  This car is available now from Hexagon out of London England for 49,950 Pounds, about $76,700 at the time of writing.  It is described as completely concours, having received an ‘astonishing’ nut and bolt restoration.  It looks very very good in the pictures but as with most cars being held to this kind of standard, it has some loose ends.

Paint looks phenomenal, as does the trim.  No rocker trim?  Front wheel is a Borrani, the rest are Fergat’s.  Hood and door fit is amazing.  Tires are a little ‘modern’ for a Giulietta -but that’s a matter of taste.

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Box with very cool contents arrives at Giuliettas.com HQ

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Update 1/16/12: You can contact Rene at rkemmer @ knoware.nl if you are interested in a set.

1/13/12: I keep this site up for free for the most part.  Some days I spend 20 minutes, some 2 hours, but I just do what they day dictates, because I enjoy it and have this vision of what this site would be if I kept it up for 20 years.  Every once in a while I get a gift because of the site.  Laurence gave me a VERY nice steering wheel for my Sprint -transforming how the feel of the car was transmitted through my hands, Bob gave me some very nice used all red tail light lenses, Joe a set of headlight rings and an air box and there are others.  Today, all unexpected, Rene sent me this:

It’s actually kind of funny, I thought the orange post office ‘come get your package’ notice was for a box (or two) of Glas GT parts I was expecting from Germany, or my rebuilt Solex from George, or even possibly more baby stuff.  I was not expecting this.

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